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    Congress' Plan to End the Nursing Shortage - READ THIS AND ACT!

    Every morning I wake up and thank God that we still have some Republicans in Congress. Representative John Shadegg (R) from Arizona, is one of those blessings. He has introduced a bill in Congress called the Nursing Reform Act of 2009. The bill calls for increasing work visas for foreign nurses (and their spouses). When passed, it will eliminate the nursing shortage!

    This bill is great on so many levels. For one, everyone knows that healthcare is costing us an arm and a leg (pun intended). The biggest causes are obviously nurses and nursing unions. Nurses are way overpaid, but unfortunately the healthcare corporations have not been able to break the nursing unions because of the shortage of nurses. By bringing in lots of foreigners, they can flood the market with labor, break the unions, and get nursing salaries down to where they belong -- somewhere around what retail pays. If only there weren't that law capping the number of foreign nurses we allow in the country... As a side benefit, the bill allows for nurses' spouses to get unrestricted work visas as well, so it will help bring down salaries in all sorts of other industries as well!

    The true brilliance of this bill (thank you Mr. Shadegg!) is in the way it is written. It doesn't bring them all in at once. It starts out with 50,000 new visas the first year, which is a low enough number that people will "buy it" and the bill can get passed. Supporters of the bill have had to go to great lengths to say that nursing salaries will be unchanged, which of course will be true at first. However, the genius in the bill (evil grin) is that the number of allowable visas automatically goes up 20% per year, so it will be 60,000 visas in year two, 72,000 visas in year three, 86,400 visas by year four, 103,680 by year five, and a whopping 124,416 by year six! The bill states that "According to the Department of Labor, the current national nursing shortage exceeds 126,000." Therefore, the nursing shortage will be solved in about six short years, and healthcare companies can get back to earning the kind of money they deserve! Incidentally, this is just the approach that was so successful in cutting the salaries earned by information technology workers about 10 years ago. Corporate profits were getting impacted by high IT costs, so our brilliant Congress increased the number of H1-B visas, and companies were able to hire cheap workers from India and other places. Thank you, Congress! Later, many of these foreign workers returned to their homelands and brought the work with them. Now, corporate America doesn't have to pay high salaries, and they don't even have to look at the foreigners anymore -- they can just write a little check to India. Bravo! Fortunately, information technology salaries have never rebounded to the levels where they were.

    But I digress. Back to nursing. Let's face it, nursing is difficult, degrading work. Nurses sometimes have to wipe feces, for Christ's sake. We're Americans and we're better that that! We can certainly find some Indians, Filipinos, or Chinese to do that work, ridding self-respecting Americans of the need to perform that dirty job. The last 20 years have been a long road, but we've come a long way, baby. We've rid ourselves of the burden of almost all manufacturing jobs, call center jobs, and as mentioned earlier, many information technology jobs. Fortunately, we Americans don't need to do those things anymore. This bill is the first step down the same glorious road for healthcare. It was recently reported that in 2009, over 6 million Americans will travel abroad for surgery (Lower costs lure U.S. patients abroad for treatment - CNN.com). Once these foreign nurses are fluent in "American-style healthcare," many can return home to help proliferate cheap healthcare services to those Americans that can afford to fly overseas. Think of the opportunities this will create for the airline industry and the beloved industries that support the airline industry -- like jet fuel suppliers and Boeing!

    President Obama reportedly wants to solve the nursing shortage by training unemployed Americans for these jobs. As usual, that guy has it all bass-ackwards. First of all, we Americans are too good to be nurses. Second of all, it would be tough to train enough new nurses to break the unions and get nursing wages down to retail wage levels. Only India and China, with their billions of people, are capable of rapidly flooding the market with enough labor. Third, everyone knows that the millions of unemployed Americans are lazy, good-for-nothings that are not smart enough or good enough to be nurses. Otherwise, they wouldn't be unemployed in the first place, right? Fourth, training Americans to be nurses is expensive. Why, in Mr. Shadegg's home state of Arizona, the high unemployment rate and falling tax revenue have forced the state funded university (Arizona State), to cut its nursing program by 26% in terms of students accepted into the program (Bernadette Melnyk Dean's Message - ASU College of Nursing & Healthcare Innovation). Let's face it, with unemployment so high, we just can't afford to train Americans to be nurses. Perhaps if we cut taxes on all of the oppressed wealthy Americans, we could afford to train more nurses...

    Opponents of this bill will probably say that John Shadegg has sold out to the healthcare industry. I say, phooey! They will probably point out that In the campaign finance cycle for 2008, he received over $244,000 from the healthcare sector, over $168,000 of which was from healthcare political action committees (John Shadegg: Campaign Finance/Money - Industries - Congressman 2008 | OpenSecrets). That may be true, but Mr. Shadegg is a patriot! He would NEVER let campaign contributions influence the legislation he introduces or sway his vote in any way.

    My only criticism of the bill is that it doesn't go far enough. Perhaps it's not too late. I would urge Mr. Shadegg to expand this legislation so that we bring in an additional 50,000 foreign doctors, 50,000 foreign dentists, 50,000 foreign lawyers, 50,000 foreign engineers, and 310 learned people for "government positions" (254 to take the Democratic congressional seats and 56 to take the Democratic Senate seats, ha ha ha!!!!!). Clearly, overpaid nurses are not the only problem we face as Americans. My fellow Americans, we must remember, what's good for American corporations is good for America. We've come a long way, but there are still some high paying jobs that are held by Americans. With the help of patriots like Mr. Shadegg, we can fix that!

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    Mr. Angry American, what you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

    Thanks for presenting me the opportunity to use a classic movie quote.



    Okay, so this is some entertaining ploy to suck nurses in and get their knee jerk reaction to an obviously ridiculous attack on them...actually, I'd bet just about anything that because this post is so unbelievably ridiculous that this poster is someone who is actually AGAINST this bill and is using a clever tactic to draw negative attention to it.

    But I'll play along because NO ONE is more angry than me right now with the current state of affairs in this country.

    First off, nurses ARE NOT overpaid. In fact they are probably WELL UNDERPAID. I'd list a million reasons why but it would be a waste of my time because you likely either don't care, or are too dim witted to comprehend.

    Secondly, introducing foreign nurses is NOT the answer. It has been proven to be clear that the language barrier in itself is too much for them to overcome and primes them to do more harm than good.

    Oh hell, who am I kidding? If you think nursing salaries are the cause for the inflated costs of healthcare you are one of the dumbest people with a keyboard.

    Good luck in life...you're going to need it.

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    Over paid? Who you trying to kid? The residents where I work pay good money (a nice chunk, might I add!), yet the staff does NOT see their fair share!
    Mind you, I am NOT unionized; have belonged to one as an LPN, and the owner of the facility I worked at at the time fought the contract. Got the contract 2 months before I took RN boards. Go figure...didn't do me any good.

    I degress. Why HAVEN'T we heard of this bill? Is there a link to any such proposal?

    As for training unemployed Americans, I say 'Go for it!' Let our jobs stay with us. Health care workers will always be needed.

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    Re: Congress' Plan to End the Nursing Shortage - READ THIS AND ACT!

    :nurse-fan: Let me get this straight: Our economy stinks (as does the global economy), yet we should allow others come in, earn money, and send it back? Why not fix the system closer to home first and pay us nurses in the US a bit more? I sure would like to see it. :rolleyes:


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    OF COURSE I am against this bill. The post is SATIRICAL, but the bill is deadly serious! We are investing about $40,000 of our hard earned money in nursing school for my wife, and she'll graduate just in time for the salaries to start to fall. I just lived through a similar experience in the IT industry, and it's clear that nursing is next! You nurses better wake up and write some letters.

    And by the way, the link to the bill is:

    Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

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    Thank you for the satirical first post. You clearly oppose this disasterous Congressional bill and emphasize the ethical wrongs and logical inconsistencies associated with the same through satire, which, although it is humerous, is, also, very insightful.
    What this terrible Congressional Bill, disasterous for American nurses and the American Nursing profession, promulgates is "monopoly capitalism."
    What is "monopoly capitalism"? In "Monopoly capitalism", capital is
    exported from a nation instead of products produced by a nation's own
    citizens.
    What is "capital"? Capital is money, labor, and industry.
    "Monopoly capitalism" tends to concentrate both economic power and
    political power in a few individuals and entities.
    "Monopoly capitalism" tends to impoverish the general citizenry. In this case, it impoverishes American Nurses.
    'Monopoly capitalism" tends to destroy "true capitalism".
    "True capitalism" is defined as possessing "competition" and "free
    enterprise."
    "True capitalism" tends to increase total wealth and distribute the
    same more equitably and widely amongst the general electorate.
    "True capitalism", also, tends to distribute political power more
    widely amongst the general population.
    Economic theorists assert that "monopoly capitalism" is the last stage
    of capitalism before some form of socialism replaces the same.
    If we are to maintain our personal freedoms and maintain our high
    standard of living, we must assertively and appropriately address the
    evils of monopoly capitalism.

    One means to do the same, in my opinion, is to change our current “winner take all”, “Gerry mandered”, and “bought” form of electoral representation to some form of “proportional” electoral representation. The same would make it much more difficult for “special interest” groups to monopolize the political and economic processes. The USA, the UK, and Canada are the only world democracies that don’t utilize some form of “proportional” electoral representation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angryamerican999 View Post
    Every morning I wake up and thank God that we still have some Republicans in Congress. Representative John Shadegg (R) from Arizona, is one of those blessings. He has introduced a bill in Congress called the Nursing Reform Act of 2009. The bill calls for increasing work visas for foreign nurses (and their spouses). When passed, it will eliminate the nursing shortage!

    This bill is great on so many levels. For one, everyone knows that healthcare is costing us an arm and a leg (pun intended). The biggest causes are obviously nurses and nursing unions. Nurses are way overpaid, but unfortunately the healthcare corporations have not been able to break the nursing unions because of the shortage of nurses. By bringing in lots of foreigners, they can flood the market with labor, break the unions, and get nursing salaries down to where they belong -- somewhere around what retail pays. If only there weren't that law capping the number of foreign nurses we allow in the country... As a side benefit, the bill allows for nurses' spouses to get unrestricted work visas as well, so it will help bring down salaries in all sorts of other industries as well!

    The true brilliance of this bill (thank you Mr. Shadegg!) is in the way it is written. It doesn't bring them all in at once. It starts out with 50,000 new visas the first year, which is a low enough number that people will "buy it" and the bill can get passed. Supporters of the bill have had to go to great lengths to say that nursing salaries will be unchanged, which of course will be true at first. However, the genius in the bill (evil grin) is that the number of allowable visas automatically goes up 20% per year, so it will be 60,000 visas in year two, 72,000 visas in year three, 86,400 visas by year four, 103,680 by year five, and a whopping 124,416 by year six! The bill states that "According to the Department of Labor, the current national nursing shortage exceeds 126,000." Therefore, the nursing shortage will be solved in about six short years, and healthcare companies can get back to earning the kind of money they deserve! Incidentally, this is just the approach that was so successful in cutting the salaries earned by information technology workers about 10 years ago. Corporate profits were getting impacted by high IT costs, so our brilliant Congress increased the number of H1-B visas, and companies were able to hire cheap workers from India and other places. Thank you, Congress! Later, many of these foreign workers returned to their homelands and brought the work with them. Now, corporate America doesn't have to pay high salaries, and they don't even have to look at the foreigners anymore -- they can just write a little check to India. Bravo! Fortunately, information technology salaries have never rebounded to the levels where they were.

    But I digress. Back to nursing. Let's face it, nursing is difficult, degrading work. Nurses sometimes have to wipe feces, for Christ's sake. We're Americans and we're better that that! We can certainly find some Indians, Filipinos, or Chinese to do that work, ridding self-respecting Americans of the need to perform that dirty job. The last 20 years have been a long road, but we've come a long way, baby. We've rid ourselves of the burden of almost all manufacturing jobs, call center jobs, and as mentioned earlier, many information technology jobs. Fortunately, we Americans don't need to do those things anymore. This bill is the first step down the same glorious road for healthcare. It was recently reported that in 2009, over 6 million Americans will travel abroad for surgery (Lower costs lure U.S. patients abroad for treatment - CNN.com). Once these foreign nurses are fluent in "American-style healthcare," many can return home to help proliferate cheap healthcare services to those Americans that can afford to fly overseas. Think of the opportunities this will create for the airline industry and the beloved industries that support the airline industry -- like jet fuel suppliers and Boeing!

    President Obama reportedly wants to solve the nursing shortage by training unemployed Americans for these jobs. As usual, that guy has it all bass-ackwards. First of all, we Americans are too good to be nurses. Second of all, it would be tough to train enough new nurses to break the unions and get nursing wages down to retail wage levels. Only India and China, with their billions of people, are capable of rapidly flooding the market with enough labor. Third, everyone knows that the millions of unemployed Americans are lazy, good-for-nothings that are not smart enough or good enough to be nurses. Otherwise, they wouldn't be unemployed in the first place, right? Fourth, training Americans to be nurses is expensive. Why, in Mr. Shadegg's home state of Arizona, the high unemployment rate and falling tax revenue have forced the state funded university (Arizona State), to cut its nursing program by 26% in terms of students accepted into the program (Bernadette Melnyk Dean's Message - ASU College of Nursing & Healthcare Innovation). Let's face it, with unemployment so high, we just can't afford to train Americans to be nurses. Perhaps if we cut taxes on all of the oppressed wealthy Americans, we could afford to train more nurses...

    Opponents of this bill will probably say that John Shadegg has sold out to the healthcare industry. I say, phooey! They will probably point out that In the campaign finance cycle for 2008, he received over $244,000 from the healthcare sector, over $168,000 of which was from healthcare political action committees (John Shadegg: Campaign Finance/Money - Industries - Congressman 2008 | OpenSecrets). That may be true, but Mr. Shadegg is a patriot! He would NEVER let campaign contributions influence the legislation he introduces or sway his vote in any way.

    My only criticism of the bill is that it doesn't go far enough. Perhaps it's not too late. I would urge Mr. Shadegg to expand this legislation so that we bring in an additional 50,000 foreign doctors, 50,000 foreign dentists, 50,000 foreign lawyers, 50,000 foreign engineers, and 310 learned people for "government positions" (254 to take the Democratic congressional seats and 56 to take the Democratic Senate seats, ha ha ha!!!!!). Clearly, overpaid nurses are not the only problem we face as Americans. My fellow Americans, we must remember, what's good for American corporations is good for America. We've come a long way, but there are still some high paying jobs that are held by Americans. With the help of patriots like Mr. Shadegg, we can fix that!

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    First of all don't bash Republicans for this bill John Shadegg (R) is well known to be a RINO (Republican in Name Only). He is not a real conservative. This country is well on it's way to becoming a socialist country and if the current administration gets it's way our borders will be open to any and everyone who wants to come here and work illegally. If people would just stop and think about what to do to fix our economy it could be done quite easily - lower income taxes to put money back in the hands of the people. where it belongs. Focus on education programs for American citizens who want to be nurses and get America working again.

    While there are some fine nurses from foreign countries and programs - bringing in foreign nurses is not the answer. Does anyone recal the recent scandal in the Phillipines involving hundreds of nurses submitting false documentation and cheating on the NCLEX. At my last hospital job I had an older patient who was so happy to have a nurse who spoke English that he was in tears.


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    So much is already out-sourced...how many times have I gotten someone on the phone who is speaking English as a 2nd language?!

    Remember that Obama may be President, but it is CONGRESS who has the final word. Anyhow, I degress. Back to the original thread.

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