[CCHADWI]

Read the article from the link below and tell me what you think. It's amazing how we can allow this to happen, when we have so many people out of work in our country. Below the link, is just some FYI that a friend of mine pointed out about this article.

Workers asked to train foreign replacements

USA Today article

What is a L1 Visa?
L-1 visa allows firms, which have subsidiaries abroad, to transfer from foreign countries to the US as intra-company transferees, subject to them having been employed with the company for at least six months. Nearly one-third of all employees of Indian infotech companies working for clients in the US are on L1 visa. Difference between H1-B and L1 is that those working in the US on H1 visas have to be paid what US workers with similar skill sets get paid, L1 has no wage parity stipulation. So, an infotech professional working with an Indian company in India, gets one-tenth the wage that his or her US counterpart gets. Importantly, L1 visa is easier and quicker to obtain than H1 visa, due to the stringent authentication involved in issuing H1 visas.

FYI - Now companies like Accenture have a presence in India so they can transfer those low wage workers into America without H1 visas. Also they can do it with as many as 10 people per L1.

[cassioo]

It can happen because there is a willing workforce elsewhere. There are too many people here who don't/won't work and expect to get paid for doing nothing. Their work ethic is awful. I live in an area with lots of low paying factory and farm jobs and people complain about the foreign work force that comes in and does those jobs but those same people wouldn't do the work themselves. My ex-soninlaw quit a good job at a barge company (shipping grain on barges on the river) because they wanted him to go outside in the winter and it was cold...excuse me but the river is outside. Heard others quit jobs because the boss told them what to do...that's what the boss is for. I have never had to have a boss telling me what to do because I did my job and worked hard. I think the work ethic here is for the most part not good. I don't like moving jobs out of the country but those business are out to make money also. But we as American citizens complain about companies moving out but continue to purchase products made by those companies because they make them cheaper elsewhere and we want cheaper.

[CCHADWI]

You make some interesting points there. We do want cheaper and more economical products. Take our vehicals for instance. But to train someone and then be replaced by that person is in my mind completely unethical.

As for your comments about not wanting to work outside or quitting because your boss told you what to do, I agree with you. That is their job and if they have to tell you what to do all the time, it's obvious you are not doing your job. Not wanting to work outside when you work for a barge company......well, I can't believe he didn't know he'd have to work in the cold. I don't know.

I hope to get others opinions on this. The friend that sent me this article is one who is training someone from another country, and he will soon be released, and the other gentleman will take over his position. This method of 'outsourcing' is crazy to me. But, that's just my opinion.

[cassioo]

I used to work in a factory making refrigeration parts and at the time I left they had parts of the operation going to China. They also pulled some of the machines and sent them to another area of the country where the pay rates weren't quite as high (and I'm in a pretty low area as is).
But you see similar things in most industries like offering early retirement to get rid of those in the top pay rates but those are also the ones with the most experience. I was a teamster when I was at the factory and they would offer $XXX to sign a contract and if you didn't take it they would say they would pull production and you'd lose your job then most people would vote yes and get that litte extra then be worked like dogs and treated worse the stray dogs. Yep the whole thing is not right...so what can we do about it????

[1mg.epi]

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[1mg.epi]

I agree with all of you about out source American jobs. Things are cheaper, there is a willing workforce in other countries. This will all work for America if we had a well educated work force. There are many high tech. jobs out there that cant be filled due to the education levels of most Americans. As a major power we are low on the education totem poll. I think this whole NAFTA would work if education was pushed harder.

Another thing the people getting laid off, do not want to retrain. I was unemployed for 6 months. Saw all the nursing adds and said, "time to retrain." many wont do that. They wont improve themselves. We have become a society of lazy, short term thinkers that feel sorry for them selves.

[/ QUOTE ]You cant always get what you want, but if you try some times, you just might find, you get what you need. M. Jager.

[mercynurse]

Interesting article Charles, I hadn't seen it.

I think it will be interesting to see the comments made from the membership as MOST of the males I know have gone into the profession as a result of needing to retrain....whether due to lay offs, closing of businesses or job security. I do realize that that is only anicdotal, not scientific, but a truth as I see it, just the same.

I agree with the fact that companies have to stay solvent...but I do not agree with allowing foreign people to take jobs that Americans are qualified for, and are trying to get. If there is a choice, I think the company should be required to take an American citizen over a foreign born employee.

[cassioo]

Yes, companies should have to take citizens over foreign born unless they become citizens or that green card should have a limit that is inforced. We have a big chicken plant (starts with Ty ends with son) here with mostly Mexican workers. Many people (citizens) in the area won't work in the place..it does stink and it's dirty hard work that doesn't pay real well. They won't do that dirty hard work and have to show up on time and work while there. The Mexican community is really getting big in the area due to the chicken plant (they also do farm labor in summer)
Maybe it's a problem congress should really work on instead of some of the other things they do.

[CCHADWI]

Well it's final. I'll run for office. I'll start small here around town, and then go for something larger. I'll make congress see it my way. LOL.

Charles Chadwick for President.

Any voters for that. LOL.

[cassioo]

well if I lived in your town I'd vote for you. Just sign me up for absentee ballott if you can afford my vote