[Anonymous]

Aaron if I wanted to kill every one who had hurt me or my family there wouldn't be many people left in the world.

Read Corrie Ten Boom if you can find any of her works you might see things differently..

And if you say that they are gonna kill us anyway why should I go to hell for commiting murder myself???

Are they worth my anger and revenge. I don't think so.. They want us to be angry with them, they want us to make fools of ourselves and ruin our reputation in the world and they are doing a very good job of it..

Anger eats at the person who harbors it.. Do you really think that your anger at anyone affects that other person..They can see it eating away at you and they have won..

Do you really think that terrorists thought "OH America won't do anything to us"..And remember they bombed us with our own planes....Where were
WE???.. All over the globe defending what??????

And how thin do you suppose we can spread ourselves..

Killing someone doesn't stop others from killing back .. It never has.. Never will..

JMHO...


WR,,, three commas of Becca

Also, I watched Dr. Phill once about a woman who couldn't get over the anger and hurt she was suffering over someone killing her child ( I believe) and only when she was able to forgive that person did she herself feel better.. The killer was ruling her life every waking moment.. Killing someone isn't the ultimate insult .. It's keeping that memory alive that is the kicker.. Forgivness is a present you give to yourself..The best one you can give yourself..

No matter what we do we are not gonna bring back any dead. So why make more people dead...What will that prove.. That we have sunk to their level?? How is it that some countries ...Actually , many countries are not involved in war??? How does that happen?


WR,,, three commas for Becca

[Aaron C.]

WR,

you don't get it, but I won't give up on you...

I'm leaving now for my brother in law's bachelor party but I will be back to help you through this!

Also, it is my opinion that we remove all our troops back here, and all but close our borders by making immigration requirements much more stringent. This would greatly solve the problem, along with more secure harbor implementation in terms of freight, etc...

BUT, that isn't going to happen, so we need to get rid of the terrorists who want to ruin our way of life.

You cannot simply set idly by and let them have their way.

[Anonymous]

Aaron ...What does a terrorist look like.. Did McVeigh look like a terrorist?? He was in our Army wasn't he..


And that was my premise ..That we mind our own business. And this might not have happened.. You know what they say about the barn door..


BTW When are you gonna add Foundation Medical Staffing to the list of Travel Companies???


WR,,, three commas for Becca

Aaron haven't there been wars since the beginning of time.. Which one of them worked?? Which one of them ended war?? Wasn't there a war to end all wars??? And just because it's the way we've always done things doesn't mean it's the right way to do it..How many times did you hear that in nursing school


Don't drink and drive....

[cassioo]

I was watching the evening new just now. Seems they fired 2 teachers in CA for showing the video in school and a radio station in OR fired to DJ's for playing the audio (but the DJ's were laughing and making jokes) I think there is a line somewhere...the teachers were presenting the facts but was the group they presented it to unprepared for the information (even though they watch all kinds of slasher movies and videos is the real thing too much???) But the DJ's were in bad taste suffering is never funny.

[TracyR]

The line you speak of is so grey that we will never be able to rise above it.

Let's face it... war is HELL, and very little will ever change. The difference now is that we have so much technology, that the graphic images of war are made readily available to the masses. Do you honestly think that these acts against humanity did not exist prior to 911?

To be sure, these things are not right or just, but they are what they are... the world is a nasty place, but it's where we live, and we have to do our own part to make it a better place for future generations to live in.

We cannot fix all the problems in the world, especially in volatile countries such as Iraq, where martyrdom is the rule of law... you simply cannot combat a people with such conviction.

Do we kill them all? Do we forget them all? Do we forsake them all? I am sure, as Americans, that we don't know the answers to these tough questions, but as nurses we are bound by our calling to care for those who suffer the consequences.

That is my stance.

[cassioo]

I am sure, as Americans, that we don't know the answers to these tough questions, but as nurses we are bound by our calling to care for those who suffer the consequences

good stance Tracy

I know it's gone on for hundreds of years before me and will go on after me. My best friend (since 3rd grade) is married to a Saudi and lives there now. She sent me some propaganda about war crimes between isreal and palestine. I told her those things are not new and have been going on for 100's of years and everyone things they are on the right side. I told her there were people all over the world suffering at hands of others and starving there always will be.
I think though that as a country our government ignores many of those other countries because they don't have anything we want (like oil) those people also suffer at the hands of leaders

[kristycarberry]

Well, I am jumping in this conversation a little late. I missed this thread when I was knee deep in a 6 week cram course of Micro (Thank God that's over!)

Aaron, if you can find a person more angry and hurt than I was on 9/11, then I would be surprised. Some were equally so, I am sure. I was outraged. I was terrified. I was FURIOUS! I went out to sea on the Roosevelt 8 days after the attacs and I wrote nasty things to Osama on the bombs that our planes carried into Afghanistan. We all did, they had Sharpies and bombs in the hangar every day to sign. Our planes dropped tons of weapons. I never felt bad. Should I have? Probably, but we were all mad. We all wanted to make them hurt like we did. I supported this war on terror and I supported GWB with a fervor like no other. Then came the war in Iraq. I watched the news. I watched the speeches. I recalled all of the awful things Saddam Hussein did to his people and I was convinced those WMD's were there and I was ready as ever to go show that tiny country the might of our big bad military. But, Aaron, now, I feel ashamed to say that! Where are those WMD's that our men and women (some barely more than children) are dying for every single day? Nobody has seen them! Granted, they could be buried out in the desert somewhere. But we haven't found them. Now, we wouldn't want France to come over here and take over because they thought GW was going a little crazy with blowing stuff up. Maybe that is a bad analogy, but the longer this drags on, the more people that are killed over there every single day, the less I support it. Our troops should be home! People have been there for more than a year! For what? Really, tell me for what? Don't say because of 9/11. We might have Saddam, but where the heck is Osama? He must be sitting with those WMD's. S.H. didn't blow up the WTC or the pentagon! Al Q and Osama did! They blew up the USS Cole too. I had a friend on that ship that had a young wife and a 4 year old. We killed a lot of people in Iraq, but I bet his wife doesn't care and I bet the WTC families would rather have Osama than Saddam any day. We could have spent all of this time finding OLB, but we don't have the manpower to do all of that!
Like I said, I'm ashamed to say that I wholly supported this shameless invasion of Iraq because I believed they were coming for us next. But the more I think about it...I know that I was wrong and we have to get out of there!
Kristy

[1mg.epi]

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I never felt bad. Should I have?

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NO DO NOT FEEL BAD. Being retired 1997. I would have gone and given my live to KILL and inflict revenge. This is such a normal feeling when some one pushes their values on us by killing over a thousand people in terror attacks.

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Where are those WMD's...

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As for the WMD. They are starting to find them and they are weaponized in artillery shells.

What GWB is doing is taking the fight to the enemy. He is doing the unpopular thing. He is doing the thing that is hard. And he is doing the thing that will take time. This is going to be long and hard, but Americans like things quick and simple. LOOK on D-Day, we lost more people in the landing than almost the first 6 months of the Iraq war. If the world sits back and does nothing, more people will die in the long run.

When Hitler invaded Poland the American public said he was just wanting to expand his borders. We did not want to get involved until it directly effected us. Look at all the sorrow and inhumanity he caused. Well Al-Q is doing the same thing.

They started only wanting the military out of Saudi. Now the demands have grown and grown. If we do not make a stand and take this to where the terror groups thrive, our grand children will live in greater terror.

We must look at the long term. Not one year later or 2 years, but 10 to 20 years out. Trust me this thin will get much worse before it gets better, But it will get better if action is taken.

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I'm ashamed to say that I wholly supported this shameless invasion of Iraq..

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Do not feel ashamed!!! We only did what th UN said they would do to Saddam if he did not comply with the ressilutions.
The only ones that blocked the UN vote was France, Russa and Germeny. Well we are finding out France and Russia had huge financial intrests in Iraq, many internationaly illegal. Such as the fuel for food program, or should I say scam. Would you tell some one, "Do that again i will slap you." and you say that every time they do the behavior, and never slap the person. Well that is what the UN was doing with Saddam. We were just holding up our end of the cese fire from the Golf War.

Now I do watch the news as wish we were never their, but we are, and we can NOT back down now. We have to stay for the long hall and finish the job. God Bless all our military personel.

[spring1978uk]

Here's the real problem as I see it - we don't get the opinions of the ppl of iraq or iran or saudi arabi or other middle eastern countries, we get americans telling each other what these people are saying and that is call "PROPAGANDA" (Dee Dee Dee! - carlos mencia) and the president of this country decieves and misleads his own people to further a hidden agenda. u guys need to look at this through fresh eyes. as for me im tired of seeing it. wouldnt b surprised if bush actually engineered 911. my 2pennies.

Ps. message me if my opinion pisses u off (not that it is meant to I just wanna know how many of u believe in 'freedom of speech' when u dont wanna hear someones opinion.)

[Aaron C.]

Originally Posted by spring1978uk

Here's the real problem as I see it - we don't get the opinions of the ppl of iraq or iran or saudi arabi or other middle eastern countries, we get americans telling each other what these people are saying and that is call "PROPAGANDA" (Dee Dee Dee! - carlos mencia) and the president of this country decieves and misleads his own people to further a hidden agenda. u guys need to look at this through fresh eyes. as for me im tired of seeing it. wouldnt b surprised if bush actually engineered 911. my 2pennies.

Ps. message me if my opinion pisses u off (not that it is meant to I just wanna know how many of u believe in 'freedom of speech' when u dont wanna hear someones opinion.)

WOW! I'm all about freedom of speech regardless of the views it allows people to express.

You are severely misinformed. First of all, we hear the opinions of them. The liberal media does an excellent job of sharing their views.

It is THEY who do not see us for who WE are. If you don't believe it, watch this documentary on the discovery channel, on North Korea, "North Korea: Axis of Evil"

If I ask my 5 year old about North Korea, she will have absolutely NO IDEA where/what North Korea is. Ask a 5 year old in North Korea about the United States and they can give you a 5 hour presentation on how evil we are and how they are going to destroy us with their nuclear weapons.

You can't go into that city with a camera without being with a government appointed monitor. There is no freedom of information there.

It is the same as Iraq was under Saddam.

And for you to say that you think Bush could have been responsible for 911...well, I don't even have a response for something so outlandish.

Feel free to share your opinions however you want, but you may want to keep this little wisdom in mind:

"It is better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."