[shellbell]

WELL, HERE IS HOW I SEE THINGS. SOMETIMES RN'S GET ON THEIR HIGH HORSE AND TALK DOWN TO THE LPN'S.I HAVE EVEN HAD OCCASION TO SEE AN RN THROW SOMETHING AT AN LPN BECAUSE THE LPN REFUSED TO PERFORM A TASK OUT OF HER SCOPE OF PRACTICE.I HAVE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH NURSES WHO BELIEVE THAT THEIR EXTRA EDUCATION PUTS THEM AT THE ADVANTAGE OVER A LONG EXPERIENCED LPN.SORRY, I WOULD RATHER WORK WITH AN LPN WITH 20 ODD YEARS OF PRACTICE OVER A NEW GRAD WITH AN ATTITUDE ANYDAY!
OVER DINNER YESTERDAY, ONE OF OUR NEW BSN'S WAS DISCUSSING SOME OF THE SKILLS SHE HAS YET TO PERFORM.SOME OF WHICH THE LPN ARE HIGHLY SKILLED AND TESTED ON. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS LACK OF RESPECT PEOPLE SHOW ONE ANOTHER IN GENERAL.WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO MENTORING?

[nursinghumor]

When it was time for me to choose a nursing school, there were no LPN programs nearby, just RN or BSN.

I figured, if I was going to go through the torture of nursing school and work my tail off, better to do the RN just once and be done with it.

I take my hat off to anyone that can go back to school for an RN after they've been working for a while, it is very difficult.

If your ultimate goal is an RN I'd say go straight to it. You'll earn more in the long run and have more career options.

If your immediate goal is to start working, and an LPN is faster, that's an economic decision you have to make.

The fact is that RN/LPN work together inevitably. Life is easier for everyone if you accept the fact that there are different rules for what each can/cannot do. It doesn't make one better than the other, just a different scope of practice.

Accept that, treat eachother with respect and your lives will be much easier.

Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com

[MagRedC5]

Originally Posted by shellbell

WELL, HERE IS HOW I SEE THINGS. SOMETIMES RN'S GET ON THEIR HIGH HORSE AND TALK DOWN TO THE LPN'S.I HAVE EVEN HAD OCCASION TO SEE AN RN THROW SOMETHING AT AN LPN BECAUSE THE LPN REFUSED TO PERFORM A TASK OUT OF HER SCOPE OF PRACTICE.I HAVE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH NURSES WHO BELIEVE THAT THEIR EXTRA EDUCATION PUTS THEM AT THE ADVANTAGE OVER A LONG EXPERIENCED LPN.SORRY, I WOULD RATHER WORK WITH AN LPN WITH 20 ODD YEARS OF PRACTICE OVER A NEW GRAD WITH AN ATTITUDE ANYDAY!
OVER DINNER YESTERDAY, ONE OF OUR NEW BSN'S WAS DISCUSSING SOME OF THE SKILLS SHE HAS YET TO PERFORM.SOME OF WHICH THE LPN ARE HIGHLY SKILLED AND TESTED ON. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS LACK OF RESPECT PEOPLE SHOW ONE ANOTHER IN GENERAL.WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO MENTORING?

Shellbell - This is just a friendly reminder that all CAPS on www msg brds is considered to be a form of yelling. Please, do a self-edit... thanks!

BTW, I can appreciate your frustration. We are all team members in the quest of excellent patient care. An RN should never c/o of disrespectful treatment by an MD, then turn around and do same to an LPN, or CA.

Originally Posted by nursinghumor

When it was time for me to choose a nursing school, there were no LPN programs nearby, just RN or BSN.

I figured, if I was going to go through the torture of nursing school and work my tail off, better to do the RN just once and be done with it.

I take my hat off to anyone that can go back to school for an RN after they've been working for a while, it is very difficult.

If your ultimate goal is an RN I'd say go straight to it. You'll earn more in the long run and have more career options.

If your immediate goal is to start working, and an LPN is faster, that's an economic decision you have to make.

The fact is that RN/LPN work together inevitably. Life is easier for everyone if you accept the fact that there are different rules for what each can/cannot do. It doesn't make one better than the other, just a different scope of practice.

Accept that, treat each other with respect and your lives will be much easier.

Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com

Andrew, just wanted to concur with your post, which was an excellent read! You made some an excellent points. I had to go the long route [AAS in Surg Tech, AAS in Nursing (ADN), and RN-BSN] D/T being a single-parent, as well as other pertinent reasons. Nonetheless, I encourage all those that can to go straight for their BSN.

[nurstinkerbelle]

I didn't go back to school until I was 37 years old and also took the long road to RN. I started as a CMA/CNA/HHA then LPN and RN. I have no problem working with LPN's, in fact I'd rather work with an LPN than some BSN's. A good LPN is invaluable as a team mate. But, note the word "good'. An LPN with 20 years experience does not make an RN, the same way a CNA with 20 years experience does not make an LPN. The only dilemma I face is when team members want to work out of their scope of practice. I always try to help the really good staff see the advantage of continuing their education. Don't sell yourself short. If you are that good, get your RN, but if you don't have the credentials, don't do the work. It won't be appreciated in the long run, and it could cause trouble for you and your team mates. Always practice within the scope of your license. And if that license's scope is too restrictive, go back to school and get the credentials you need. Nursing is one profession that does not promote because of "on the job" training.

[sunchy]

Hi I am sunchy
RN vs LPN has always being an issue but the RN has the major responsibility therefore the RN is in charge and sets the rules.

[MagRedC5]

Originally Posted by Skymoma

I' am not an RN nor am I an LPN but if you ask me, I would say that the people see life or view life in different way or one of the reason's why they some never go on to be RNs while others do. But one must remember that an LPNs job is totally different from an RNs job but they still must work together inorder to achieve "total health care." But I would guess that since there jobs are different and maybe a little more similar, I would think that since an Rn is Higher than an Lpn the Rn might seem a little more intimidating to an Lpn as would an Msn to an Rn right?

Intimidate: to make timid or fearful esp: to compel or deter by or as if by threats syn bully, browbeat

No, you are wrong regards to intimidation. I [a BSN & 1LT AMEDD officer] will never bully an LVN/LPN, which is an enlisted member of the AMEDD. Nor, will I [a company grade ANC officer] fear a field grade officer, which may either be an MSN, or MD AMEDD officer. IMHO, respect should go both ways regards to subordinates - superiors - subordinates in the world of professional health care both military & civilian. I will admit there are those that misuse/abuse position of authority, which I hope is in the minority.

[kateejo6977]

WOW!! This is a touchy subject from my point of view. I have been an LPN for 24 years and I feel as though I should have the respect of other nurses and for the most part I do,but.....there are those RNs that believe they are above a LPN no matter what. Don't get me wrong, I respect a person for furthering their education but the title of RN does not automatically place the person above me. I respect the title but the person has to personally earn my respect and that is done through actions not initials. You see, I work with RNs that believe LPN stands for one of two things: LPN:Let's Play Nurse or Little Pissed-off Nurse. With that kind of attitude against the LPNs, what do they expect in return,Respect...afraid not!! If they could just get past the initials and see the experience as a positive factor; I think we'd all be better nurses. The bottom line is , regardless of your title, we are all there for one reason........the welfare of the patient. The patient is really the only issue in my eyes!!

[Skymoma]

lucky you, you have a degree I dont think I will get my degree
I' am only taking simple classes like Chemistry and already it is too hard because the instructor will not go according to the book and he continues to keep lying to me why I havent the slightest idea.
Its only a survey.
How can any one take there jobs seriously when they meet instructors like this one?

[Skymoma]

Originally Posted by Skymoma

lucky you, you have a degree I dont think I will get my degree
I' am only taking simple classes like Chemistry and already it is too hard because the instructor will not go according to the book and he continues to keep lying to me why I havent the slightest idea.
Its only a survey.
How can any one take there jobs seriously when they meet instructors like this one?

Nursing does not mean any thing when you spend years in college and have to deal with an idiot of professor?

How many of you have had to deal with some thing so stupid as this?

[porcelina]

Originally Posted by sunchy

Hi I am sunchy
RN vs LPN has always being an issue but the RN has the major responsibility therefore the RN is in charge and sets the rules.

I agree. The RN has the ultimate responsibility for the residents/patients and everything is on his/her back. I have worked with a 30 year veteran LPN who has a very nasty attitude toward me. She does not like our DON or ADON. Seems she has a problem with people who have a RN degree in general. She is a good nurse, but has a major attitude toward RN's. It makes it hard to work with nurses like that. Our major concern should be the patient, not petty trivial whining.