[Anonymous]

You are so right Cass you get what you expect out of people.. If you don't expect much you won't get much. As Dr. Phil says people treat you the way you allow them to treat you..

Interesting 54 views on this thread and How many posts??? So far......


WR,,, three commas for Becca

[Aaron C.]

It doesn't happen when I'm there...That's my POINT!

You're still missing the big picture. Stop looking at just one place. Obviously, I can't work in every facility in the country.

[Anonymous]

So you are going on hearsay.. HMMMMMMMMMM interesting.. If you can't work there DON'T... Simple as that.. Like you say you can't work every where..



WR,,, three commas for Becca

I still see flaws in the theory.. I think it's looking for trouble and they found it. Like Cass says I can't believe the police allowed this to happen in Palo Alto. I smell a rat....

[Aaron C.]

Wandering, you are still being myopic. Look at the big picture. I'm trying to paint an example...

It would be easy to prove without hearsay by looking at a dressing with an old date on it...

[Anonymous]

I believe putting people in a group is quite myopic too..

A date is easily changed on a dressing.. Doesn't mean it was done.. Just take off that piece of tape and put on another with a new date..

Did you expect nurses to be perfect?? Maybe if you had just stated your problems with this job it would have been better.. The Broken Window Theory just doesn't fly with me..


WR,,, three commas for Becca

I don't believe alot of people follow the crowd .. If I lived in Palo Alto I wouldn't have trashed the car even if it had a broken window..What this proves is that there will always be people who don't have any character. It doesn't mean that people follow the crowd.. I still say it might not have been the people of Palo Alto..

[Aaron C.]

okay, first of all, I don't have problems with THIS job. This job is great. I just listed one example in this job, that worries me. If you read, I stated that this facility is a good one and takes good care of it's people.

Now, if you change the date on a dressing, but don't actually change it, that is like vacuuming your house but not turning on the vacuum cleaner--which is totally idiotic.

I am pretty sure this is what happened with you. You read the theory, and instead of putting some thought into it, decided it would be easier to shoot it down. Now, you are working very hard to defend a very weak argument...

Regarding people following the crowd. The theory states that not everyone would go for this...

Listen, instead of looking at a 24 hour period and thinking what you would do, look at it in terms of a 10 year period...

[Anonymous]

HUH?????

WR,,, three commas for Becca


Why did you need to throw out the theory to begin with. I don't believe it applies to anything other than the theorists need to be "known".. I don't believe one apple spoils the barrel in relations to people ..We are not apples.. My intent here was to see if we could prove your theory and so far we haven't.. No one is flocking to the kill here or the broken window as you state.. They are here by the numbers but not doing anything.. I wonder how many people saw that broken, trashed car and passed it by without contributing.. Did the theorists tell us that.. And in Palo Alto it was probably a great number...HMMMMMMMMMMM


WR,,, three commas for Becca


You said you could NOT work somewhere that had employees as these or did I miss something?

But I have seen it done.. Real easy to just pull off a piece of tape and write a new date on it.. Helps keep your job...

OH I have put much thought into it.. I wonder how much you have put into it.. YOu just accepted it as true. And I didn't... I don't often accept theories.. They are so easily shot down.. I don't believe mine is a weak argument. You haven't answered many of my questions.. Why did the theorists have to break the window ..They already found that the people of Palo Alto weren't gonna do it. And how do we know if the people who wouldn't do something first did it after the window was broken.. I just think the theorists had a hypothesis and they maniputlated the experiment to get the outcome they wanted.. And you say there is only one LPN and one CNA not performing up to snuff so how are they perpetuating the theory..Seems they don't have many followers.

WR,,, three commas for Becca

Aaron there used to be a theory that the earth was flat..Heck some people still believe it.

[Anonymous]

Ya know I think the "I'm gonna lose my license" is a cop out. I think many don't want to work or don't like their schedule and that's the easy way out.. What about all those who stay??? are you saying they don't have a clue as to the seriousness of the situation???

Please....


WR,,, three commas for Becca

[Anonymous]

What I said was what we think the outcome of somthing would be doesn't always come to fruition..Seat belts were really meant to save money not lives. But in the end they don't save money by allowing more people to live..That's the crux of the matter.. It was never about saving lives.. It was about the God almighty dollar...

WR,,, three commas for Becca

Saying the seatbelt law was for saving lives was for saving face....

[cassioo]

not that this is the case but have you ever not been able to get something done that you'd planned to so you delegated it to someone else or told the oncoming shift then when you come back the next day it's not done so whose "fault" is it? I've taken care of patients that never had a dressing change in the hospital (when I did home health) or had them come from LTC to the hospital with a big sore that you know didn't happen overnight but you're the 2nd or 3rd shift to get that patient and you can't find anywhere any documentation about any wound.

You know I work a unit were most patients are pretty self sufficient so when a doc called ranting because a patient had a dressing on for 2 weeks when they came to see him after discharge nobody had told the lady to take the dressing off to shower she'd just left it on and showered for 2 weeks and put more tape on it. I guess whoever got her up the first day redressed the incision and then whoever did the discharge didn't think she would leave a dressing on in the shower. So you can never 2nd guess what someone else thought or their reason for doing so.