Mandatory BSN to practice nursing being considered

[justatraveler]

Originally Posted by askmeh

Perhaps proffesion is the professional spelling ... Please ignore the correct spelling in post just above your attempt to point out your depth of knowledge and experience on this topic. Nevermind my attempt to be positive and give kudos for your point of view.

Your case has been rested for some time by the depth of your argument --

Although your point is mute considering the topic, Now I am tasked with going back and reviewing all of your posts to look for semantic typographical erros.

Thanks for the positive addition to this discussion.

You're welcome.

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Be advised, this banter between the two of you on this subject matter needs to cease, NOW!

UNDERSTOOD!?!

[ERMonkey]

Why don't we start with safe staffing laws. California has a mandated 5-1 ratio on medsurg floors and 4-1 in the ED. I can see where they are coming from wanting people to have a BSN = more education. However, the other night, I had 11 patients on my own in the ED. I dont care how much education I have, there is no way to give safe care. Maybe if I had 4 pts I would be able to think about what I was doing and look something up if I was not sure. I have a BSN and my biggest resource in the ED is a diploma nurse of 20+ years. She has seen it all.

[OldSquidNewNurse]

There’s quite a bit an animosity between a local BSN program and ADN program that I’m in. Most of the people in the BSN program are traditional students while the ADN program has mainly people who have experience in healthcare and are non-traditional students. I think this riff is caused because BSN nursing here have a sense of entitlement over the ADN nurses; however, most ADN nurses I know have been a LPN or CNA for years prior to getting their RN. To rebuff the claims that BSN nurses are better nurses one has to look no further than the Pharmacy profession to see that RPh and PharmD’s are both capable pharmacists. The same could be said about physicians who have an MD or DO.

[cougarnurse]

OldSquid, that comment about the MD's and DO's remonded me about a book I read years ago: Dr. X. The doctor who wrote it said they take the same boards. Whether you are an ADN, BSN, or Diploma grad, don't WE take the same boards?

'Cat'

[justatraveler]

Originally Posted by OldSquidNewNurse

There’s quite a bit an animosity between a local BSN program and ADN program that I’m in. Most of the people in the BSN program are traditional students while the ADN program has mainly people who have experience in healthcare and are non-traditional students. I think this riff is caused because BSN nursing here have a sense of entitlement over the ADN nurses; however, most ADN nurses I know have been a LPN or CNA for years prior to getting their RN. To rebuff the claims that BSN nurses are better nurses one has to look no further than the Pharmacy profession to see that RPh and PharmD’s are both capable pharmacists. The same could be said about physicians who have an MD or DO.

The entry into Pharmacy is PhD now and so is physical therapy. Why would nurses want to do anything less than the rest of the team?

BTW I was an LPN for 17 years before I got my BSN. Why make it a two step process?

[cougarnurse]

Hmmm...could be the monetary aspect?

[OldSquidNewNurse]

Originally Posted by justatraveler

The entry into Pharmacy is PhD now and so is physical therapy. Why would nurses want to do anything less than the rest of the team?

BTW I was an LPN for 17 years before I got my BSN. Why make it a two step process?

The real issue is unlike the pharmacy and PT programs is they are all taught (at least from what I know) at a University Level. So changing a program from a Masters to PhD is not a big deal when compare to shutting down community college programs. In the the others the following class just plays by a new set of rules. This is why there will be a major nurse shortage if they ever get rid of ADN programs, because nothing will be there to replace them.

[askmeh]

I think that the standard should be set at a university level entry point for RN. The ADN could take bridge courses and earn their BSN.

I know that several states, NJ being the lastest, to enforce mandatory BSN as the entry level degree for RN. I don't know if other states will follow; however, I believe that it is a first step to increasing nursing's ability to remain competitive in the healthcare industry.

[syudent1010@aol.com]

I am graduating in less than 3 months (YAAA) with my BSN, but I was in a ADN program before coming to my current college, the only reason I didn't stay in my ADN program was that the program was on probation from the state because their NCLEX pass rate wasn't good enough to meet requirements, so they put a bunch of stupid rules in place to try to raise the pass rate and ended up punishing the current students, so I got out before it was too late. Anyways, my BSN program has one of the past ANA presidents' and we are constantly hearing about how BSN nurses are better than ADN because we are better prepared, but I don't feel this way. I love the education I have got in the BSN program but I don't feel that there was more clinical time in my BSN then was in my ADN program, however in my BSN program we have more classes and lectures that focus on management, then was in the ADN program but that is it. I remember when I first got in the medical field over six years ago, the charge nurse had to be BSN prepared, but that is not true anymore, I know quite a few ADN's that charge during a shift, and are awesome at it. I don't look down on ADN prepared nurses, but I don't like to be criticized by ADN's because I have my BSN. I agree with what so many others have said, in nursing we should support one another no matter what type of degree we have instead of tearing each other apart. I would like to be paid a little more than ADN's just because BSN programs usually require more money for tuition and fees, so loans are higher, and I would like to pay my loans off before I retire (LOL). Other than the money I don't really think I deserve any special treatment or am better or worse than a ADN nurse.

[SoldierNurse]

Originally Posted by syudent1010@aol.com

I am graduating in less than 3 months (YAAA) with my BSN, but I was in a ADN program before coming to my current college, the only reason I didn't stay in my ADN program was that the program was on probation from the state because their NCLEX pass rate wasn't good enough to meet requirements, so they put a bunch of stupid rules in place to try to raise the pass rate and ended up punishing the current students, so I got out before it was too late. Anyways, my BSN program has one of the past ANA presidents' and we are constantly hearing about how BSN nurses are better than ADN because we are better prepared, but I don't feel this way. I love the education I have got in the BSN program but I don't feel that there was more clinical time in my BSN then was in my ADN program, however in my BSN program we have more classes and lectures that focus on management, then was in the ADN program but that is it. I remember when I first got in the medical field over six years ago, the charge nurse had to be BSN prepared, but that is not true anymore, I know quite a few ADN's that charge during a shift, and are awesome at it. I don't look down on ADN prepared nurses, but I don't like to be criticized by ADN's because I have my BSN. I agree with what so many others have said, in nursing we should support one another no matter what type of degree we have instead of tearing each other apart. I would like to be paid a little more than ADN's just because BSN programs usually require more money for tuition and fees, so loans are higher, and I would like to pay my loans off before I retire (LOL). Other than the money I don't really think I deserve any special treatment or am better or worse than a ADN nurse.

IMHO, that was an excellent post!

I was an ADN from 1998-2004, and have been BSN since 2004. My wife is an outstanding RN [ADN] and has no inclination towards BSN. BTW, Cat made a good point that all RN's take the same NCLEX. Furthermore, it has been my experience that when it comes to actual clinical prep the ADN GN will more times than not be better prepared.