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    Discuss criminal past here....

    So, what all do you think of this story? http://www.ultimatenurse.com/forum/f...782/#post60930

    Thoughts? Comments? :33:

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    I don't think the discipline for or even issue of a nursing license because of a criminal record should ever be a "black or white" circumstance. Obviously details of the conviction and subsequent conduct have to be taken into account. For the record and perhaps as an exception to my own rule; I struggle with convicted sex offenders working in the field of nursing. The pathology behind committing such an act doesn't get cuerd by doing time or doesn't get cured at all. The offender must not be in vulnerable situations ie; with children. In the case of nursing, the offender is always in a position of power over another and furthermore, has intimate physical contact with the individual. Homecare visiting makes that scenario even more dangerous because the patient is usually or frequently alone and sometimes mentally incompetent.

    I may have told this story before but it fits well here. Many years ago while working as a department supervisor in another healthcare discipline, I hired a senior student to work perdiem. This student had a stellar academic record and outstanding clinical performance. He fit in and was well liked by the staff members and wanted to go full time after graduation. Perfect, right? Wrong. This individual had previously worked as a Registered Pharmacist and had been convicted of diverting schedule II drugs- Benzos. Nothing stood between him and the job but that history. Under the specific circumstance, I saw no issue with hiring him because even though he would be dispensing certain drugs, he would never have access to any controlled substances. After checking with HR, I got the green light to offer him a position. He appeared very anxious during his interview and wanting to be completely above board, even asked if I was aware of his conviction. I said yes and explained my reasoning for wanting to hire him and for believing that this would be a safe environment for him to work in, he was grateful; even moved to tears. He really believed that he would be in for a struggle but that didn't prove true. He had a very fortunate situation where I had seen him in action over a long period of time. Had he not appeared truly repentent, or less than an excellent student, or displayed less than optimal attitude and work ethic, he may have had that struggle. Some may think that even being in the environment where those druge are available would be tempting but he would have an easier time trying to traffic out on the streets; not in hospital. This guy never used, he diverted. I beleve it was a case of youthful stupidity coupled with easy, serious, cash. Perhaps a character flaw but after knowing this individual and workiing with him for ahwile, I believe such a character flaw can be corrected and in his case, was. While entirely true, I know this is more of a fairy tale than usual but it should serve to support the notion that second chances should be given when the circumstance is right for it.

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    Re: Discuss criminal past here....

    Your co-worker's situation did turn out well. Unfortunately, some of the aforementioned cases may not have been one of those 'grey areas'.

    I'm sure we'll hear more from others about this! :33:

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    Quote Originally Posted by cougarnurse View Post
    Your co-worker's situation did turn out well. Unfortunately, some of the aforementioned cases may not have been one of those 'grey areas'.

    I'm sure we'll hear more from others about this! :33:
    Very true.

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    I am on the fence about this article. Obviously if you are imprisoned for any misconduct, you should lose your RN license. But on the other side of the coin things such as convicted sex offenders.

    The area of sex offenders I think is too broad. I was watching a news program of a young man who was convicted of a having sex with a minor. He was a couple of months older than his girlfriend and was busted having sex. He was 18 and she was 17. She is now is wife and mother of his two children. He is a convicted sex offender. He is not a RN but that is one example of how a sex offender could possibly hold a RN license.

    As for DUI; I was firm believer that someone who would drink and drive should not be and RN. Here was my logic. If you cared so little about your life and well being that you would repeatedly get drunk and then drive your car, you cannot possibly care much amount me as a patient.

    Well I have recently worked in an ICU and much of the staff drank, got drunk, and drove their vehicles. They came to work and cared greatly for their patients.

    I guess the question then goes to, should your loss of livelihood be an appropriate punishment for drinking and driving? Does losing your RN license fulfill your obligation to the law if you get caught drinking and driving?

    I am not a drinker by most all standards. I gave up boozing when I gave up the military many moons past, but I am still stuck with the issue of losing one’s livelihood for drinking and driving.

    The article was written to get a reaction and to sell news papers. Therefore it is written so that the reader sides with the article.

    When you have a couple of dozen (assuming CA has that many) people governing over 300k members, it is nearly impossible to monitor them all. Even searching names on a list to compare to your list of more than three hundred thousand is a bit impossible. Perhaps a computer could do it faster.

    Bottom line: would we be comfortable paying 500 to 1000 dollars a year for your RN license so that the Board can afford appropriate staff to catch everyone and then investigate them all to see if there are grounds for revocation. Hmmmm.

    I agree, this is a tough issue.

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    They don't answer my emails or my snail mail letters. I can't get someone on the phone. My business with the board goes unattended, but people with criminal backgrounds can obtain and maintain licenses. I am not surprised at all.

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    On a side note...this reminds me that most states will not recognize CA RN license.
    Cary James Barrett, RN, BSN


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    Can you clarify that somehow? First time I'd ever heard of that. :33:

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    Quote Originally Posted by cougarnurse View Post
    Can you clarify that somehow? First time I'd ever heard of that. :33:
    Do you want me to list all the states that will not accept CA RN license?

    I'm not making this up.
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    I had only heard of the CA 30 unit option RN license not being accepted by other states. Otherwise, unless one is licensed in a compact state and going to another compact state, I thought all states require a person to endorse their license into the new state of residence. Another exception would be those who work for the VA. VA employees don't have to change their license if they continue to work for the VA. What else could you mean here? Please elaborate.:confused:

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