[lam]

Sorry I had a Jethro moment, had to go back and reread your post. I have worked in LTAC some vents, but I didn't have any. Then I am shocked that the DON let that slip. These patients are not stable any so many things can alter their diabetes. Actually I liked working at that hospital.

[3eyes]

No,no,no and no again.However i have another food for thought.................
1-Is it ethical for the superior to instruct a male nurse to bed shower a female patient(girl's and young women)?
2-Is it ethical for the male nurse to give bed shower to the female patient even if against their will?
3-Is is ethical to instruct a male nurse to give bed shower to a female client without seeking full consent from her spouse or family?
4- Is it ethical for some male nurse posting humiliating joke's in the forum boasting of giving shower to a stripped female patient?

[Old_School]

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1-Is it ethical for the superior to instruct a male nurse to bed shower a female patient(girl's and young women)?
2-Is it ethical for the male nurse to give bed shower to the female patient even if against their will?
3-Is is ethical to instruct a male nurse to give bed shower to a female client without seeking full consent from her spouse or family?
4- Is it ethical for some male nurse posting humiliating joke's in the forum boasting of giving shower to a stripped female patient?

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I'll take this on the Male Nurse Forum since you posted it there also.

O_S

[lam]

I have only worked in one place where they made the males tend to females against their will. I know that I wouldn't want a male bathing me. There are too many issues to deal with. As far as I know the patient has the right to refuse if they do not want a male doing them, and usually they can be accomomdated as there are many more females in the profession. To deny that request would be self centered and not in the best interest of the patient.

[BADRN1992]

With very few exceptions, it certainly isn't ethical to force ANY patient to do anything against their will.

Do female nurses have to get permission to bathe male patients? No. It's just assumed that if you need a bed bath, and your nurse is female, it will be she giving you one.

Why make such a stink over males bathing females? If the patient or family specifically requests not to be bathed by a specific nurse, gender irrivelant, the request should be honored.

We have patients come to our ER requesting a "male" or "female" doctor. We have one doctor in our ER at all times, so if the patient wants to be seen, they have to be seen by who is on that day. I have never had any refuse to see the doctor, once it was explained that, that is the only doctor present.

Our male nurses do not "get permission" to put foley caths in female patients. Nor do they need permission to change an incontinent female patient. UNLESS the patient requests otherwise, which I have found to be a very rare occurance.

I am no more interested sexually in the male patients I place foleys in or bathe, than the males are interested in the females they attend to. This is what this issue boils down to. If a person behaves professionally, and treats patients with respect and dignity, they are behaving ethically.

[lam]

I really don't think being sexually interested in the patient is the issue. the doctor isn't usually the one doing any thing to the patient other than the usual listen to heart etc. If the patient has problems with a male taking care of them then that should be honored if at all possible.

[cassioo]

then I guess it's the same argument if the male has a problem with the female taking care of them then they should get the male nurse. Depends on what the pt is in the ER for as to what the doctor is doing. Pelvics are done in the ER. It wasn't too many years ago (about 10) we had male orderlies that did all male caths and male baths. We have women who go to female OB's but when the time comes if that MD isn't oncall they get who they get. OK sure if someone is totally against one gender or another taking care of them honor those wishes but also make it be known that they might not get the bath etc that day ..beggers can't be choosers.

[BADRN1992]

I agree, if a patient has a problem with ANY nurse caring for them, every effort should be made to accomidate the patient request. With that said, however, the issue of males bathing females or females bathing males, etc... is just rediculess. It should only be an issue if the patient has an issue with it.

[lam]

Beggers can't be choosey but they can choose what they beg for